1 00:00:15,515 --> 00:00:15,782 Okay. 2 00:00:15,782 --> 00:00:17,217 Good morning, everybody. 3 00:00:17,217 --> 00:00:18,852 Thank you for being here. 4 00:00:18,852 --> 00:00:21,855 Before we get into the substance of today's 5 00:00:22,322 --> 00:00:26,059 very exciting news and we're celebrating, I do want to say that 6 00:00:27,193 --> 00:00:29,396 EPA regional Director Casey' Sixkiller did 7 00:00:29,396 --> 00:00:33,767 guarantee us a victory this afternoon at Oregon State. 8 00:00:33,767 --> 00:00:35,502 So that's why we're wearing our purple. 9 00:00:35,502 --> 00:00:38,071 In all seriousness, good, good, good, good. 10 00:00:38,071 --> 00:00:38,705 Good morning. 11 00:00:38,705 --> 00:00:42,475 I am joined by Casey Sixkiller, General Manager 12 00:00:42,475 --> 00:00:47,714 Andrew Lee from Seattle Public Utilities, and Ben Pearson from Sledge to celebrate 13 00:00:47,714 --> 00:00:51,217 and an extremely important investment that the federal government 14 00:00:51,518 --> 00:00:54,921 is making with with us right here in Seattle in and in our region 15 00:00:55,522 --> 00:00:58,525 that supports everything we're trying to do in terms of our environment. 16 00:00:59,059 --> 00:01:01,995 It gets at the heart of sustainability. 17 00:01:01,995 --> 00:01:05,799 Our city, the City of Seattle's key priorities, as I think everyone that 18 00:01:05,799 --> 00:01:09,903 lives here and works here understands clearly is reducing our carbon footprint. 19 00:01:09,903 --> 00:01:12,338 This week we worked with the county. 20 00:01:12,338 --> 00:01:16,576 We had a great celebration on stream health in some of the very positive 21 00:01:16,576 --> 00:01:21,881 findings that the county's working on with us and the state on 22 00:01:22,882 --> 00:01:23,316 actually 23 00:01:23,316 --> 00:01:26,319 cleaning and measuring the outcomes of our stream health. 24 00:01:26,419 --> 00:01:28,555 And we had some very favorable news. 25 00:01:28,555 --> 00:01:32,125 We also yesterday introduced our building emissions performance 26 00:01:32,192 --> 00:01:35,095 standards legislation to look at the emissions 27 00:01:35,095 --> 00:01:37,730 standards that our buildings are putting out in our city 28 00:01:37,730 --> 00:01:39,732 and came out with some aggressive timelines 29 00:01:39,732 --> 00:01:42,602 and strategies, investments to reduce that as well. 30 00:01:42,602 --> 00:01:45,238 This fits right in to what we're trying to do here in the city, 31 00:01:45,238 --> 00:01:48,308 and that's why I'm so excited about doing this here 32 00:01:48,308 --> 00:01:51,311 in the fastest-growing city in the nation. 33 00:01:51,611 --> 00:01:55,115 We're in a constant state of development, which of course, has 34 00:01:55,115 --> 00:01:58,118 a significant impact on our environment. 35 00:01:58,351 --> 00:02:01,754 We also passed, as you well know, I'm so proud of our voters 36 00:02:01,754 --> 00:02:03,123 who passed the housing levy. 37 00:02:03,123 --> 00:02:07,627 That's a $970 million investment in our housing strategies. 38 00:02:08,728 --> 00:02:11,097 And so this work we're doing here today 39 00:02:11,097 --> 00:02:16,569 looks at the cost of rapid development or development as a general outcome 40 00:02:16,769 --> 00:02:19,772 and says, what must we do to achieve sustainability? 41 00:02:20,573 --> 00:02:24,077 So I'm proud that as we grow and we demolish old infrastructure 42 00:02:24,077 --> 00:02:25,311 and build new infrastructure, 43 00:02:25,311 --> 00:02:28,681 we've been able to do it sustainably in partnerships like this. 44 00:02:28,982 --> 00:02:30,517 That's why this becomes so critical. 45 00:02:30,517 --> 00:02:31,851 So here in Seattle, 46 00:02:31,851 --> 00:02:35,855 we know that nearly 20% of construction waste comes from demolishing homes. 47 00:02:36,523 --> 00:02:39,526 When we demolish homes, we do in ways that 48 00:02:39,959 --> 00:02:43,696 allow us to put now the put the wood of the old buildings to new uses. 49 00:02:43,696 --> 00:02:47,534 We make a significant impact on reducing our carbon footprint 50 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:49,802 and our waste production. 51 00:02:49,802 --> 00:02:51,971 This couples very, very well with - will 52 00:02:51,971 --> 00:02:55,241 someone hold the phone for a minute - just joking. 53 00:02:55,341 --> 00:02:59,212 This really couples very well in our tree canopy strategies as well. 54 00:02:59,812 --> 00:03:02,215 Now one of our key responsibilities as residents 55 00:03:02,215 --> 00:03:05,351 and businesses is to steward our land and our environment. 56 00:03:05,351 --> 00:03:09,656 And this is why our administration and partners like SPU headed 57 00:03:10,390 --> 00:03:12,725 by Andrew Lee, are very intentional about making 58 00:03:12,725 --> 00:03:16,262 sure that as we grow as a city, our policies 59 00:03:16,596 --> 00:03:19,899 and practices protect our environment and our natural resources. 60 00:03:20,533 --> 00:03:23,870 This announcement today, given by EPA Regional Director 61 00:03:24,137 --> 00:03:28,141 Casey Sixkiller, and many of you know his incredible background 62 00:03:28,141 --> 00:03:30,977 in environmental sustainability and his leadership 63 00:03:30,977 --> 00:03:33,246 that you'll hear from him in just a moment. 64 00:03:33,246 --> 00:03:38,851 This describes our critical investment together that will advance the great work 65 00:03:38,851 --> 00:03:42,188 we're already doing to manage, reduce our solid waste production. 66 00:03:43,056 --> 00:03:46,659 And with that, I welcome EPA Regional Director Casey Sixkiller 67 00:03:46,693 --> 00:03:49,762 to talk more about this investment and the work we're all doing together. 68 00:03:49,862 --> 00:03:52,165 Casey. -Thank you, Mayor. 69 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:54,567 Well, good morning. 70 00:03:54,567 --> 00:03:55,735 Thank you all so much for being here. 71 00:03:55,735 --> 00:03:56,269 Mayor Harrell, 72 00:03:56,269 --> 00:04:00,340 thank you for making time in your busy schedule, to, to be here today. 73 00:04:00,573 --> 00:04:02,175 This is a really exciting day. 74 00:04:02,175 --> 00:04:05,612 It's a cold day, but it's a really exciting day. 75 00:04:05,612 --> 00:04:10,183 And what an honor for me to be here on behalf of the Biden-Harris administration 76 00:04:10,183 --> 00:04:14,654 to lift up the work that's happening here, happening here locally. 77 00:04:14,988 --> 00:04:16,222 And I think it's really kind of, 78 00:04:16,222 --> 00:04:20,126 you know, just a new chapter yet another chapter in Seattle's long history 79 00:04:20,627 --> 00:04:23,730 of being a leader across the nation in recycling. 80 00:04:23,763 --> 00:04:28,935 And now, as the mayor just said in reuse, I was in Alaska earlier this week. 81 00:04:28,935 --> 00:04:31,938 You know, we have spent all week celebrating 82 00:04:32,038 --> 00:04:35,041 the two-year anniversary of the bipartisan infrastructure law. 83 00:04:35,408 --> 00:04:38,244 You know, this this law, passed two years ago, 84 00:04:38,244 --> 00:04:41,514 created the program that's giving this $4 million grant today. 85 00:04:41,881 --> 00:04:46,019 And all across America, we are seeing local leaders 86 00:04:46,019 --> 00:04:47,453 and communities coming together 87 00:04:47,453 --> 00:04:51,491 to think of innovative ways to expand recycling opportunities. 88 00:04:51,924 --> 00:04:53,493 And that's important for a number of reasons. 89 00:04:53,493 --> 00:04:55,695 Number one is it's the right thing to do. 90 00:04:55,695 --> 00:04:59,132 Secondly, you know, it creates jobs and economic development. 91 00:04:59,332 --> 00:05:03,469 It reduces our greenhouse gas emissions and it creates new opportunities 92 00:05:03,469 --> 00:05:04,837 to reuse products. 93 00:05:04,837 --> 00:05:06,706 And what better way to do that here in the Pacific 94 00:05:06,706 --> 00:05:09,175 Northwest than repurposing old growth timber. Old growth timber 95 00:05:10,343 --> 00:05:13,346 that has put a roof over people's heads for generations 96 00:05:13,513 --> 00:05:17,550 and now is going to continue to do that through this effort here 97 00:05:18,418 --> 00:05:21,754 for many more families across the city as it continues to grow. 98 00:05:22,021 --> 00:05:25,391 This is just a really exciting opportunity, I think, for the city. 99 00:05:25,391 --> 00:05:28,394 And it shows the power of partnerships. 100 00:05:28,428 --> 00:05:32,098 $4 million helps too, but really it's the power of partnerships 101 00:05:32,098 --> 00:05:33,066 and local leadership. 102 00:05:33,066 --> 00:05:35,568 And again, as the mayor said, where we have 103 00:05:35,568 --> 00:05:37,403 innovative businesses doing something cool, 104 00:05:37,403 --> 00:05:41,407 we have local government making decisions about creating 105 00:05:41,407 --> 00:05:45,411 a policy and regulatory space for these opportunities to thrive. 106 00:05:45,545 --> 00:05:49,649 And of course, for the builders who are embracing an opportunity 107 00:05:49,649 --> 00:05:51,217 to do something different. 108 00:05:51,217 --> 00:05:55,588 Every time we deconstruct a building rather than demolish it, we're saving a tree. 109 00:05:56,956 --> 00:05:58,891 And that, I think, is really 110 00:05:58,891 --> 00:06:01,861 what we're celebrating today, an opportunity for us to be smarter 111 00:06:02,328 --> 00:06:06,933 and to realize that there is no one simple solution to tackling climate change. 112 00:06:06,933 --> 00:06:09,836 But this certainly now is a very powerful tool 113 00:06:09,836 --> 00:06:12,071 in the toolbox here locally in Seattle. 114 00:06:12,071 --> 00:06:15,074 So congratulations, mayor and the city. 115 00:06:15,508 --> 00:06:18,511 And with that, I'm going to turn over to Andrew Lee. 116 00:06:22,782 --> 00:06:24,917 -Thank you so much, Casey. 117 00:06:24,917 --> 00:06:28,354 We so appreciate the partnership with the Environmental Protection Agency 118 00:06:28,821 --> 00:06:31,891 on this grant to help us ramp up waste diversion work. 119 00:06:32,592 --> 00:06:34,227 I want to start off with a quick story. 120 00:06:34,227 --> 00:06:35,461 We have a transfer station, 121 00:06:35,461 --> 00:06:38,798 two transfer stations in the north and the south of Seattle. 122 00:06:38,798 --> 00:06:42,168 And and in both of those transfer stations, we actually have viewing rooms 123 00:06:42,468 --> 00:06:46,072 where kids can go and they can see that the garbage being moved around. 124 00:06:46,506 --> 00:06:49,409 And and I remember being in one of those rooms 125 00:06:49,409 --> 00:06:51,344 and hearing a boy, a little boy, 126 00:06:51,344 --> 00:06:54,347 he was looking at the machinery moving around and the waste. 127 00:06:54,414 --> 00:06:55,314 And he made a comment. 128 00:06:55,314 --> 00:06:59,118 He said, Mom, some of that stuff doesn't look like waste. 129 00:06:59,819 --> 00:07:04,090 And and I thought that was profound because that child was exactly right. 130 00:07:04,924 --> 00:07:08,428 You know, every year, like we said, about 17% of our 131 00:07:08,428 --> 00:07:12,231 total debris in the city is is construction debris. 132 00:07:12,532 --> 00:07:16,736 And and that profound statement of that's not waste is completely true. 133 00:07:17,670 --> 00:07:18,404 Through this 134 00:07:18,404 --> 00:07:21,441 grant, we have the opportunity to divert wood for reuse. 135 00:07:21,441 --> 00:07:24,510 And I'm going to say a word out here, which is this idea of a circular economy, 136 00:07:24,944 --> 00:07:28,948 which is this concept that, you know, the life cycle of our goods 137 00:07:28,948 --> 00:07:32,051 and our materials can be continuously used 138 00:07:32,385 --> 00:07:35,321 if we plan for that, if we purpose it that way. 139 00:07:35,321 --> 00:07:39,826 We are one of a handful of cities leading the country in deconstruction 140 00:07:39,826 --> 00:07:43,629 and building out a local wood reuse economy, a circular economy. 141 00:07:44,230 --> 00:07:46,833 We currently offer financial incentives 142 00:07:46,833 --> 00:07:49,569 to customers who choose deconstruction, 143 00:07:49,569 --> 00:07:53,072 but this funding that we're receiving from EPA means we can do so much more. 144 00:07:53,172 --> 00:07:56,242 Specifically it allows us to support the establishment 145 00:07:56,509 --> 00:07:59,745 of a permanent salvaged wood warehouse in Seattle 146 00:08:00,346 --> 00:08:03,749 to bolster, like, like Casey mentioned, a local climate 147 00:08:03,749 --> 00:08:07,520 emissions reducing businesses that don't historically see high profits. 148 00:08:08,187 --> 00:08:11,390 And not only will these businesses be able to better recover materials 149 00:08:11,390 --> 00:08:12,792 and prevent waste, 150 00:08:12,792 --> 00:08:16,696 but they'll be better positioned to also create jobs, job opportunities for people 151 00:08:16,696 --> 00:08:20,466 in our community who may have not have had access to those jobs in the past. 152 00:08:21,167 --> 00:08:22,835 So I'm so thankful for this grant. 153 00:08:22,835 --> 00:08:25,838 Thank you again for the partnership from the federal government 154 00:08:25,872 --> 00:08:27,507 and at this point, I'd like to introduce 155 00:08:27,507 --> 00:08:30,877 it to Ben Pearson, who is the operations manager for Sledge Seattle. 156 00:08:31,310 --> 00:08:36,082 Really a land, a fore blazer trailblazer in this work, a demolition 157 00:08:36,082 --> 00:08:39,318 contractor who we've partnered with to do this incredibly important work. 158 00:08:47,059 --> 00:08:47,493 -Good morning. 159 00:08:47,493 --> 00:08:49,228 Thank you all for being here. 160 00:08:49,228 --> 00:08:52,231 Gonna start off with a little fun fact. 161 00:08:52,798 --> 00:08:55,601 Some of the Douglas fir lumber, which is primarily what we salvage 162 00:08:55,601 --> 00:08:58,671 out of Seattle homes, is over 600 years old. 163 00:08:59,305 --> 00:09:02,308 These trees 164 00:09:02,441 --> 00:09:03,910 could grow to the height of half 165 00:09:03,910 --> 00:09:07,113 the Space Needle and be ten feet wide at their base. 166 00:09:07,947 --> 00:09:10,750 And we don't have too many trees like that left anymore. 167 00:09:10,750 --> 00:09:13,753 So in order to protect this beautiful wood. 168 00:09:13,853 --> 00:09:14,820 And that's why I'm here. 169 00:09:14,820 --> 00:09:18,090 And why Jim Barger, the founder of our company, is here, is 170 00:09:18,791 --> 00:09:21,327 we just think this is a beautiful wood that should not be wasted 171 00:09:21,327 --> 00:09:24,330 and we'll never have it again if we don't protect it now. 172 00:09:26,232 --> 00:09:28,467 I'd also like to thank the three of you for being here. 173 00:09:28,467 --> 00:09:31,704 It means a lot to us to have your support and the funding 174 00:09:32,805 --> 00:09:35,808 is something we've never seen before of this magnitude, 175 00:09:35,875 --> 00:09:38,878 and it will have a huge impact. 176 00:09:40,379 --> 00:09:42,048 So moving, 177 00:09:42,048 --> 00:09:44,850 moving away from demolition, it's a hard thing to do 178 00:09:44,850 --> 00:09:49,255 because it's so easy and inexpensive and moving towards 179 00:09:49,255 --> 00:09:52,258 deconstruction has taken a lot of work to get to this point. 180 00:09:52,558 --> 00:09:55,861 And I feel like we're we're about to take a huge leap forward. 181 00:09:57,697 --> 00:09:59,932 Demolition can be done with an operator, 182 00:09:59,932 --> 00:10:02,768 an excavator, and one person on the ground in a day or two. 183 00:10:02,768 --> 00:10:05,671 And the whole goal is to smash up the house as small as you can 184 00:10:05,671 --> 00:10:08,674 to fit it into a few dumpsters as possible. 185 00:10:08,941 --> 00:10:10,743 But deconstruction, it can take two to three weeks 186 00:10:10,743 --> 00:10:13,412 for the five-man crew or five-person crew. Excuse me. 187 00:10:13,412 --> 00:10:15,247 And that's not the end of it. 188 00:10:15,247 --> 00:10:16,682 That's where the work begins. 189 00:10:16,682 --> 00:10:19,285 Then we have to bring the lumber back to a warehouse. 190 00:10:19,285 --> 00:10:23,356 We have to take the metal hardware off of it, trim it up, store 191 00:10:23,356 --> 00:10:27,193 it, organize it, and then at that point, you're looking at the 192 00:10:27,393 --> 00:10:30,396 that stage that we're at right now is now what do we do with it? 193 00:10:30,396 --> 00:10:33,332 Do we do we put it back into new construction, 194 00:10:33,332 --> 00:10:36,736 which we've put into over 50, we've supplied lumber packs 195 00:10:36,736 --> 00:10:40,006 over 50 new construction projects in the Seattle area. 196 00:10:40,039 --> 00:10:40,740 Ourselves. 197 00:10:42,775 --> 00:10:45,277 I personally have a vision where a lot of this beautiful lumber 198 00:10:45,277 --> 00:10:50,082 should go into higher use like flooring or wall cladding or furniture. 199 00:10:51,617 --> 00:10:54,153 But anyways, thank you so much for being here. 200 00:10:54,153 --> 00:10:59,425 This money and the support of especially Katie Kennedy and Corinne of SPU. 201 00:10:59,692 --> 00:11:04,263 They are by far our biggest supporters and they are making a huge difference. 202 00:11:04,330 --> 00:11:04,930 So thank you. 203 00:11:04,930 --> 00:11:11,971 -Thank you Ben. 204 00:11:12,038 --> 00:11:15,274 And we're going to walk around and tour a little bit and just sort of 205 00:11:16,475 --> 00:11:17,743 look at this beauty around us. 206 00:11:17,743 --> 00:11:21,113 But if there's any question, I'll be more than happy to take any questions. 207 00:11:21,113 --> 00:11:23,749 I'll give you a few seconds. 208 00:11:23,749 --> 00:11:24,216 Yes, sir. 209 00:11:24,216 --> 00:11:28,587 -Yeah, it's a very labor intensive work, as you describe, Ben. 210 00:11:28,587 --> 00:11:33,492 So what else are you going to do as a city to help support the market? 211 00:11:33,492 --> 00:11:37,063 Are you giving any sort of density bonuses to buildings that would incorporate 212 00:11:37,096 --> 00:11:40,232 salvaged wood or or provide salvaged wood? 213 00:11:40,232 --> 00:11:43,069 -Great question. So I'll let Andrew handle it. 214 00:11:43,069 --> 00:11:47,473 And I will tell you that I am sure if if, and Andrew coming to the closer, 215 00:11:48,507 --> 00:11:50,843 I want to comment on what Ben said. 216 00:11:50,843 --> 00:11:56,282 I don't know if you all sensed it, but I sense his passion for this industry. 217 00:11:56,515 --> 00:11:59,251 It's not even what he said, it's just how he said it. 218 00:11:59,251 --> 00:12:01,020 And I'm sure some of our greatest ideas 219 00:12:01,020 --> 00:12:03,155 will come from Ben and those associated with Ben. 220 00:12:03,155 --> 00:12:04,657 I just wanted to throw that out there 221 00:12:04,657 --> 00:12:07,860 and now I can have more substantive answer from Andrew. 222 00:12:07,893 --> 00:12:12,832 -Yeah, right now we're providing two different incentives. 223 00:12:13,132 --> 00:12:16,802 One is a $4,000 incentive to contractors who are, 224 00:12:16,936 --> 00:12:21,240 or owners, who are choosing to go the deconstruction pathway, and that helps 225 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:25,044 to, you know, ideally help them to offset some of the additional costs. 226 00:12:25,077 --> 00:12:29,648 The other incentive we're providing on the cost side is a $2,000 incentive 227 00:12:30,349 --> 00:12:33,819 when they're bringing on workers who are, need to be trained in the skillset. 228 00:12:33,819 --> 00:12:36,822 And so it's again helping to incentivize job training and job growth. 229 00:12:37,523 --> 00:12:41,694 The third incentive is meant to counter the time aspect of it. 230 00:12:41,694 --> 00:12:45,731 It takes another to like two potentially to three weeks, and as Ben mentioned. 231 00:12:45,731 --> 00:12:49,702 And so from a time aspect, we're providing kind of expedited permitting time 232 00:12:49,735 --> 00:12:53,072 frame for some electrical permits and and that's enabling 233 00:12:53,405 --> 00:12:56,408 the contractors to shave off about two weeks of time. 234 00:12:56,542 --> 00:12:59,345 And so so those two things are the way that we're trying to incentivize 235 00:12:59,345 --> 00:13:00,012 this work right now. 236 00:13:01,147 --> 00:13:01,547 Yeah. 237 00:13:01,547 --> 00:13:02,481 -Thank you, Andrew. 238 00:13:02,481 --> 00:13:05,584 -(off screen, indistinct) Given the numbers, just the cost of, say, 239 00:13:05,718 --> 00:13:09,822 the deconstruction versus demolition, just for a quick comparison. 240 00:13:09,922 --> 00:13:11,323 -Yeah. 241 00:13:11,323 --> 00:13:15,227 You know, Ben, I think you're probably the best person to respond to that. 242 00:13:15,227 --> 00:13:15,561 Yeah. 243 00:13:15,561 --> 00:13:20,032 -Depends on, we do a lot of something called hybrid deconstruction, 244 00:13:20,032 --> 00:13:21,267 which is not ideal. 245 00:13:21,267 --> 00:13:24,170 Basically, we use a machine to assist us to take down a house. 246 00:13:24,170 --> 00:13:27,072 So rather than the two to three weeks, we can do it in a week and a half. 247 00:13:27,072 --> 00:13:28,374 And that's all about economics 248 00:13:28,374 --> 00:13:30,910 is what people are willing to pay for our services. 249 00:13:30,910 --> 00:13:33,913 But we're still able to get in there and salvage a tremendous amount of material. 250 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:37,850 So for hybrid deconstruction, we're probably about 30% more. 251 00:13:37,850 --> 00:13:42,321 And the grant funds have made a huge difference of bridging the gap, 252 00:13:42,955 --> 00:13:44,290 especially on smaller structures, 253 00:13:45,457 --> 00:13:48,360 but at hand deconstruction, which is where I'd like to get to, I think the lumber 254 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:52,231 warehouse will have a huge impact of bringing down the total cost 255 00:13:52,331 --> 00:13:55,835 of a hand deconstruction and it will lessen the burden. 256 00:13:56,202 --> 00:13:57,803 Right now I'm having to wear three or four hats. 257 00:13:57,803 --> 00:14:01,273 I'm a deconstruction guy competing against demolition companies 258 00:14:01,774 --> 00:14:03,275 and they're cheaper and quicker. 259 00:14:03,275 --> 00:14:04,944 And then we got to take the material and process it, 260 00:14:04,944 --> 00:14:07,947 and then we got to store it and then try to market or sell it. 261 00:14:07,947 --> 00:14:10,816 So the lumber warehouse will allow us to focus, 262 00:14:10,816 --> 00:14:14,687 if we want to, just on deconstruction and then on the back end to allow the city 263 00:14:15,054 --> 00:14:18,691 to incentivize deconstruction more 264 00:14:18,958 --> 00:14:22,094 because now there'll be the infrastructure to support deconstruction. 265 00:14:22,561 --> 00:14:23,829 So the cost will come down. 266 00:14:23,829 --> 00:14:27,600 But I would say deconstruction by hand is double the price of demolition 267 00:14:27,733 --> 00:14:28,400 at this point. 268 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:32,404 -What is the price of demolition versus deconstruction? 269 00:14:32,471 --> 00:14:34,540 So $10,000? 270 00:14:34,540 --> 00:14:38,210 -A typical house in Seattle might be like 12 to $15000 to demo, 271 00:14:38,677 --> 00:14:41,347 and that might be like a 1200-1500 square foot house. 272 00:14:42,481 --> 00:14:43,382 We're in the 273 00:14:43,382 --> 00:14:47,219 low, you know, $20,000 to do a hybrid 274 00:14:47,553 --> 00:14:50,723 and you'd be up in the high twenties to to probably do it by hand. 275 00:14:50,723 --> 00:14:53,859 -With a hybrid version (indistict). 276 00:14:53,926 --> 00:14:55,027 Yeah. No, I can, I’d definitely. 277 00:14:55,027 --> 00:14:57,796 I'd love to talk about. 278 00:14:57,796 --> 00:14:57,997 Yeah. 279 00:14:57,997 --> 00:15:00,966 - They have you excited now? -Yeah. 280 00:15:00,966 --> 00:15:02,167 Every house is different, right? 281 00:15:02,167 --> 00:15:06,639 And sometimes, you know, we use a excavator to take the roof off. 282 00:15:06,672 --> 00:15:08,407 So then we can go after, what's easy. 283 00:15:08,407 --> 00:15:11,010 But the main thing is the floor joists, the ceiling joists, 284 00:15:11,010 --> 00:15:13,646 and the old houses all have shiplap, they didn’t have plywood 285 00:15:13,646 --> 00:15:15,714 and we have a market for those materials. 286 00:15:15,714 --> 00:15:16,982 And so that's where we focus our 287 00:15:16,982 --> 00:15:22,454 our time and efforts on. -Well, thank you, everyone have a great day. 288 00:15:22,454 --> 00:15:24,890 But this is an exciting industry, as you could see. 289 00:15:24,890 --> 00:15:28,928 And the innovation that the city is known for, you're seeing it in action here. 290 00:15:29,161 --> 00:15:31,997 We can't thank your leadership and what you're doing with the EPA 291 00:15:31,997 --> 00:15:33,732 to partner with us. So, everyone, have a great day. 292 00:15:33,732 --> 00:15:34,833 Thank you very much for being here.